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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by thegodlynub on Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:15 pm

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    thegodlynub wrote:I think bookies now know of this system, its funny shotle mentioned yesterday 365 restricted his stakes as they have with mine, my Stan James was also closed on the day his was closed. Any new account I make is closed within 5 days Sad

    All bookies employ traders who know what to look for when it comes to accepting bets , its not that they are watching us in particular its that they know that if they accept the bets at near the advised odds that they will lose in the long term so whether you are winning or not in the short term they will restrict stakes and close accounts.
    Its not winning thats the hard part its getting bets accepted Smile

    Your telling me, winning is the easiest thing ever on the beehive, getting bets on is near impossible with some bookies.

    What was with that 3 horse in 4 horse race, I laughed and said we have this in the bag just to find out we lost haha Razz

    But great day, I actually thought you were going to get me that 100 point day at one point ^^ I missed 8 horses today and all lossers Razz
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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by Admin on Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:28 pm

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    thegodlynub wrote:I think bookies now know of this system, its funny shotle mentioned yesterday 365 restricted his stakes as they have with mine, my Stan James was also closed on the day his was closed. Any new account I make is closed within 5 days Sad

    All bookies employ traders who know what to look for when it comes to accepting bets , its not that they are watching us in particular its that they know that if they accept the bets at near the advised odds that they will lose in the long term so whether you are winning or not in the short term they will restrict stakes and close accounts.
    Its not winning thats the hard part its getting bets accepted Smile

    Your telling me, winning is the easiest thing ever on the beehive, getting bets on is near impossible with some bookies.

    What was with that 3 horse in 4 horse race, I laughed and said we have this in the bag just to find out we lost haha Razz

    But great day, I actually thought you were going to get me that 100 point day at one point ^^ I missed 8 horses today and all lossers Razz

    I think the 3 horses or at least 1 or 2 of them alerted due to non runners and they should probably have been discounted from the stake but because I dont always know if users have backed them or not I include them in the p/l and deduct the r4. If one had won it would most likely have been subject to a 40p r4 .

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by shotleyskunk on Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:17 pm

    Day 3 of my 10bet account...just went to put an early alert on...bet restriction ..max bet £5 ...stroll on. !

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    Post by shotleyskunk on Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:06 pm

    These mega winning days SUCK !!..Corals restrict my account to penny bets, and those suckers at !0 bet also do the same...having said that Corals donate £6k before shutting the door, and 10Bet have handed over £1k including a £200 intro bonus which just arrived in the bank today...scratching around now with my remaining accounts, and spreading bets across the board....all your fault John!!

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by richard s on Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:29 pm

    I stake much less than some on the site; Corals have just excluded me from any bonuses or promotions although they have graciously agreed to continue accepting bets. I do not bet with them much due to generally poor prices. How much was I in profit when they restricted me? 50 pence!

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    Post by richard s on Mon May 18, 2015 10:50 pm

    I've not touched the Corals account for a bit, thought I would go back as they were going 10/1 Yul Finegold when most others are 8/1 or less. Max bet allowed....50p! It's not as though they have lost any money to me, seems enough that they have not won!

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    Post by richard s on Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:36 pm

    Cautiously impressed with 10bet who offer a decent introductory bonus and if you're quick a Royal Ascot bonus as well. Up to £225, and you only have to play through once to collect. Also helpline were good when I had a query about ID requirements.

    The odds are not the most competitive but I can live with that until the bonus has been trousered. Hopefully they won't close me down too soon...
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    Post by Admin on Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:02 am

    richard s wrote:Cautiously impressed with 10bet who offer a decent introductory bonus and if you're quick a Royal Ascot bonus as well. Up to £225, and you only have to play through once to collect. Also helpline were good when I had a query about ID requirements.

    The odds are not the most competitive but I can live with that until the bonus has been trousered. Hopefully they won't close me down too soon...

    I opened a 10bet account and gave up on the bonus , you have to turn over the deposit amount once to release the bonus and then once you have the bonus you must roll over your deposit and bonus 5 times you also need to roll over required amount within 90 days.
    I placed small stakes and was restricted to £1 stakes shortly after I had released the bonus amount so I gave up and withdrew my money. Keith also opened the account and played through all requirements and managed to profit from the account but he too was hit with restrictions and playing through was a long process.

    If you get restricted and you want more than the max stake allowed you can wait 1min and place the same bet again if you still want it and the price hasnt changed , I also found that they would allow higher stakes if you placed multiples doubles , trebles etc

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by shotleyskunk on Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:23 am

    richard s wrote:Cautiously impressed with 10bet who offer a decent introductory bonus and if you're quick a Royal Ascot bonus as well. Up to £225, and you only have to play through once to collect. Also helpline were good when I had a query about ID requirements.

    The odds are not the most competitive but I can live with that until the bonus has been trousered. Hopefully they won't close me down too soon...
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    As John said Richard, i played through the bonus at 10bet, i did it as a bit of a challenge. The problem was that they restricted my bet within 3/4 days, although did not stop me betting.Over a 2 week period i won £300 plus £200 bonus from 10bet. I bet earlys, starter, standard an standard plus however on 10bet i played the full hive system upto pro3 so i was putting dozens of small bets daily just to keep the turnover going
    There is a lot of negativity about them online with reviews etc, however as far as i am concerned, they are as good as any other online booky outside of the top half dozen....certainly they allowed me to 'play' a lot longer than Ladbrokes , who closed me down after 3 big winning bets....Good Luck ..Keith

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by richard s on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:11 pm

    Well 10bet are still going with me but pocketing the bonus looks a long way away. About £400 up at the moment excluding the bonus and maybe the fact that I am a small scale punter is keeping me under the radar.
    Corals announced that they will not take sports bets from me, although I haven't placed any since they restricted me to 50p.Graciously they will leave the account open if I want to play casino games. I have asked for an explanation but doubt I will get one. Who is going to play online roulette? Since the computer knows where your stakes have been placed, does anyone imagine the fall of the ball is going to be truly random? Perhaps I am too cynical....

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by thegodlynub on Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:53 pm

    Without William hill and bet365 I wouldn't bother bet, all the other bookies just restrict me within a week, I've got 7k with William hill and still have bog

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    Post by Pearso47 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:00 pm

    thegodlynub wrote:Without William hill and bet365 I wouldn't bother bet, all the other bookies just restrict me within a week, I've got 7k with William hill and still have bog

    Does anyone do the bees through betfair ? And would it be profitable ?

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    Post by thegodlynub on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:21 pm

    Not through sports betting, you'll be gone within 10 bets, exchange probably not, you'd get destroyed. They take 5% profit from your winners, so if the bees have a break even day you would be down with Betfair due to the 5%commission.  Personally I think the exchange is a complete con and people should stop using it, gives bookies like Betfair a reason to ban unprofitable people straight away and recommend them to exchange as it's a win/win for them.

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    Post by Pearso47 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:29 pm

    thegodlynub wrote:Not through sports betting, you'll be gone within 10 bets, exchange probably not, you'd get destroyed. They take 5% profit from your winners, so if the bees have a break even day you would be down with Betfair due to the 5%commission.  Personally I think the exchange is a complete con and people should stop using it, gives bookies like Betfair a reason to ban unprofitable people straight away and recommend them to exchange as it's a win/win for them.


    Fair dues ! Shame really, was hoping that on the exchanges you'd still make a profit, I've been binned from most on line bookies now and as the bees on a whole get backed in you'd have thought you wouldn't have missed many prices. The 5% is a killer.

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    Post by shotleyskunk on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:34 pm

    I think a ROI of 15 percent and above is do-able on the Exchange , when betting starter, standard, standardplus ...and earlies alerts...i am in the process of getting some figures, as i want to see how it pans out

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    Post by Pearso47 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:47 pm

    shotleyskunk wrote:I think a ROI of 15 percent and above is do-able on the Exchange , when betting starter, standard, standardplus ...and earlies alerts...i am in the process of getting some figures, as i want to see how it pans out

    As we know probably 50-75% of the early alerts get backed in and the bee alerts tend to as well so the BOG thing shouldn't really be an issue on the exchanges. Trying to get the bee alerts on through online bookies is tough and having money in all accounts etc isn't really feasible to most people. The exchanges are probably my only real hope of jumping back in. Hopefully there's still a profit going down that route.

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    Post by davewp on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:51 pm

    I ran the Starter and Standard Bees through Betfair Exchange for June. Made a profit but my commission was just over £100. Which HURT.This was with just a £5 stake. The problem I found was wether to take the matched price at the time of placing the bet or the S.P.

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by shotleyskunk on Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:59 pm

    Pearso47 wrote:
    shotleyskunk wrote:I think a ROI of 15 percent and above is do-able on the Exchange , when betting starter, standard, standardplus ...and earlies alerts...i am in the process of getting some figures, as i want to see how it pans out

    As we know probably 50-75% of the early alerts get backed in and the bee alerts tend to as well so the BOG thing shouldn't really be an issue on the exchanges. Trying to get the bee alerts on through online bookies is tough and having money in all accounts etc isn't really feasible to most people.  The exchanges are probably my only real hope of jumping back in. Hopefully there's still a profit going down that route.


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    Obviously i have more pc time than most...but it is a fairly easy system to run with

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by shotleyskunk on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:01 pm

    did anyone get the 10-1 via Boyles on Subversive in the Earlies tonight?

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    Post by thegodlynub on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:08 pm

    I find withdrawing all the time from bookies you can't milk the profit to its full potential. This is what I've noticed, so I just leave my funds in all my accounts and only remove them when the account is total fkd. But I like your idea Shortie, spreading the bets across all bookies.

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by thegodlynub on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:11 pm

    shotleyskunk wrote:did anyone get the 10-1 via Boyles on Subversive in the Earlies tonight?

    Lost all my boylesports accounts 6 months ago :p nice price but left that one out and lookout for it tomorrow if it drifts. 2nd best of 9/2 too short, I want atleast 7/1 b4 backing it :p

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by shotleyskunk on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:14 pm

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    shotleyskunk wrote:did anyone get the 10-1 via Boyles on Subversive in the Earlies tonight?

    Lost all my boylesports accounts 6 months ago :p nice price but left that one out and lookout for it tomorrow if it drifts. 2nd best of 9/2 too short, I want atleast 7/1 b4 backing it :p
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    My girlfriend has a Boyles, clicked on the link via Oddschecker , and the 10-1 was SP...Took 5's at Betbright..against better judgement, but its only 1 point , and i would kick myself if i did not punt...and it won

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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by Pearso47 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:26 am

    shotleyskunk wrote:did anyone get the 10-1 via Boyles on Subversive in the Earlies tonight?


    Only got the 9/2 ! I know the best price available has to be put up but its unrealistic sometimes as few people will get it.
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    Re: Bookies the bad and the ugly

    Post by Admin on Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:46 am

    Submersive will be recorded as 9/2 , I really think the 10-1 was probably a bookie error. Very Happy

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    Post by Pearso47 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:49 am

    Admin wrote:Submersive will be recorded as 9/2 , I really think the 10-1 was probably a bookie error. Very Happy


    Nice one john, cheers bounce

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